David Grusch, an Air Force veteran previously affiliated with the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), made these striking assertions during an appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast this Tuesday.
Asked by Rogan how many biological entities he was talking about, Mr Grusch said there was “a variety, and we have a … certain number of different things”.
“But the total numbers of what’s interacting with us on earth, I mean nobody knows that,” he said.
“I talk to people who are familiar with the biological analysis and everything. So we have some idea, not a complete picture because it’s like, you know, you’re looking at it, it’s like, well I don’t even understand the physiology at all, it’s like what the heck, it’s way different.”
While he admitted he had not seen first-hand evidence of the alleged extraterrestrial craft or bodies, Mr Grusch said he had spoken at length with dozens of senior intelligence and military officials who had allegedly come forward to him.
Mr Grusch testified that he “absolutely” believes the government is in possession of UAPs as well as remains of their non-human operators.
He has claimed the government is in possession of “double digit” numbers of crashed craft, but cannot disclose the exact number.
Mr Grusch told Rogan the number of retrieved bodies was “up there as well, just like with the retrievals”.
On the question of where they came from, he said, “Nobody I talked to espoused any specific origin to me. We may know that but I’m not aware of anything.”
Mr Grusch said officials inside the government “did use the term extraterrestrial” but that was only “a possible origin”.
Asked by Rogan whether there had been any “interactions” with these beings, Mr Grusch said interactions “was a sensitive subject that my interview subjects did not want to get into”.
“There was water cooler talk with some people I talked to on the program,” he said.
“They’re like, ‘Hey bro guess what I overheard in some weird meeting.’ The problem with that is it’s secondary information … Those people who physically were there, were on the program, who did the thing, I brought to the Inspector General. There was some water cooler talk about that sort of thing. But I don’t even want to get into it because … there were some details provided to me but it’s secondary and I don’t know if that’s the telephone game and I don’t know if it was hyperbolised in any way in the break room so to speak.”
“There were multiple very senior people that were concerned about talking about that kind of stuff with me. As nuts as it sounds, that was a real subject of conversation, even if it sounds like something out of Star Trek: First Contact. Once you realise the phenomenon’s real, then you realise we’ve recovered artefacts and biologics, or dead pilots if you will, even though it’s creepy to even think about that in your world view … that is something the President and his cabinet need to disclose … in a controlled manner.”
He also strongly hinted that he had spoken with at least one US President about the phenomenon, which he said had been going on for “thousands of years”.
“And I know that with 100 per cent certainty, which as an intel officer you never say 100 per cent. But all things pointed towards, based on the people I talked to like [former Nevada Senator] Harry Reid, and I use him as an example but I talked to the highest of the high people you could possibly talk to, if you catch my drift.”
He added, “So unless all of them are lying and they’re covering up something else — which I don’t even know what it would be at this point — because the phenomenon is real, it’s been going on for thousands of years, people have been seeing strange things, and not everybody’s mass hallucinating.”
“Are we alone? Well the answer is we’re not alone,” Grusch said.