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Ex-CIA officer on UFOs: There’s a whole other reality that surrounds us

The CIA and the UFO mystery have been linked since 1947. Since then, a number of CIA officials and former US military personnel have directly promoted UFOlogy by making surprising remarks.

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R. James Woolsey, Derrel Sims, Lue Elizondo, David Fravor, and other former CIA and US military officers have described how the existence of reality all around us that we are unable to see could be a major component of the UFO phenomenon.

Jim Semivan and John Ramirez, two veteran CIA personnel who have exhibited a personal interest in UFO/UAP issues and cases, appeared on the George Knapp show to discuss the CIA’s participation in the research of UFOs as well as their own experiences.

Jim Semivan worked for 25 years as an Operations Officer for the CIA.

Jim Semivan worked for the CIA for 25 years before joining Tom Delonge’s ‘To the Stars’ Academy with other former government insiders. He went into depth about how he got into the CIA and mastered spycraft, which takes years to master. Because the CIA operates on a “need-to-know” basis, Semivan was not made aware of any UFO studies, despite the fact that CIA analyst Kit Green was known for his interest in the paranormal.

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Jim Semivan served for the CIA for 25 years as an Operations Officer. Semivan detailed his own alien encounters with his wife, which began in 1990 and included entities appearing in their bedroom, on Coast to Coast AM.

He stated that the encounter was real and not a hypnagogic or dream state. Following that, the pair experienced occasional poltergeist activity in their home, and he recently claimed to have seen a hooded figure that resembled the Death Eater character from Harry Potter, who may have appeared to announce the death of a close friend.

Semivan agreed with Skinwalker Ranch researcher Colm Kelleher’s observation that the UFO phenomenon is much more than nuts and bolts and machines, since there are also emotional and biological factors that ratchet up the strangeness. He noted that To the Stars’ examination of “metamaterials” with unusual isotopic ratios (perhaps linked to UFOs) was still ongoing.

Semivan said in the first portion of the interview: “I think they mention that the phenomenon is a natural part of our universe, and we’re living in it but we don’t recognize it. The same way that insects and animals don’t recognize the human universe.If you are reading this, it means that this content has been stolen from – and those who copied the text did not notice this. But our lawyers will do it.

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“A cat and a dog could be running through a library, but they don’t have the faintest idea what the books are all about and what libraries are all about. We might be walking through our existence and there’s a whole other reality that surrounds us that we just simply don’t have the ability to see or interact with.”

“It seems to be peeking inside our little consensus reality. As I explained to somebody once, it comes close, it teases us, it cajoles us, it lies to us, but you can never take it home to meet the parents. It won’t allow you to do that. There’s no formal introduction.

“Add on top that there’s no ontology, which is just a fancy word, it basically means there’s no structure to even discuss this. We don’t have a common lexicon. Somebody said we have dots but no connections. I don’t even think we have dots,” Semivan continued.

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In the second portion of the interview, John Ramirez, a 25-year CIA veteran who specialized in ballistic missile defense systems, was featured. He detailed his long-standing interest in espionage and how, in 1984, he transitioned from a Navy officer to the CIA. He equated gathering intelligence to working as a journalist for a news organization, except his sources for reports were usually top-secret.

He, like Semivan, had what could be classified as extraterrestrial abduction-like events, such as being placed on an examination table in a circular craft. Interestingly, he indicated that a number of his CIA and NSA colleagues had also experienced UFO encounters. He became aware of moments when Russian radar detected strange craft while working on missile defense, and he claimed that in one incident, they attempted to coax a UAP into landing.

CIA historian Gerald Haines wrote about the agency’s examination of UFOs from 1947 until the 1990s for a section named the Office of Scientific Intelligence, according to Ramirez. Ramirez was particularly intrigued by the fact that the division employed personnel with backgrounds in life sciences and medicine, implying a potential interest in extraterrestrial bodies.

Lue Elizondo has made these ideas in various interviews, but in this one, he was asked to expand on his remarks on how our senses are reductive and limit our world, and how this relates to the phenomenon.

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He responded: “This is something we’ve been dealing with for a long time. Imagine the first person to get on a boat and sail over the horizon. There’s stories of sea monsters and Krakens that will devour you and destroy your boat. Yet, we did it anyways. We did sail, and we explored the world.

“It turns out, 500 years later, there really are sea monsters. We call them the Great Squid of the Pacific, and great white sharks and whales. Now they’re just part of nature and have a scientific name, but those sea monsters still exist.

“They’re there, we just learned to understand them. Maybe this is the same thing. Maybe this is just another expedition over the horizon where we’re going to realize what we thought were monsters are really just neighbors.”

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We can add Franc Milburn, a strategic and operational advisor and former intelligence officer, to the list of those hinting at the phenomenon being around us all the time, and that our reductive senses are limiting our ability to perceive it. When comparing his comments to others who have said similar things, I think it looks like a narrative is starting to be formed.

In the last 10 minutes of this interview on Darkness Radio, Milburn opines on the aspects of the phenomenon that the general public are going to have the hardest time accepting as reality.

“I think now people can kind of get their head around it. Like, okay, we might not be alone in the universe. But they’re still kind of thinking in terms of ET, extraterrestrial, people visiting us in a kind of physical craft.

“I think what’s going to really blow people’s minds, and what they can’t get their head around, is the kind of wider, weird high strangeness as Dr. Jacques Vallee and Eric Davis have written about.

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“The kind of high strangeness of the various phenomena. Things at the Skinwalker ranch like the poltergeist activity. You know, the cryptids. You know, the fact that all these things seem to have these disembodied voices.

“The fact that UAP and these kind of phenomena seem to happen in one area very close together, and seem to kind of be interconnected in some way, perhaps. You know, cattle mutilations.

“That’s where I think it’s going to be problematic, for people to get their head around. The fact that the phonomena can exsanguinate cattle and zap dogs, and fill people with sort of an adrenal, kind of pheromonal fear. That it can control people’s minds.

“So those are things I think people are going to have a real big problem getting their heads around. The fact that there’s invisible entities that may have malign or benign intentions that are operating around us and you can’t see them. There’s a whole kind of different parallel world existence that kind of intersects with our own.

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“I think that is what people are going to have a very hard time getting their head around.”

And now, think about microscopic organisms and what it took for us to become aware of them and see them. Imagine how much more there could be that we simply aren’t capable of perceiving yet.

We call people that have seen otherworldly things crazy pretty often, but who is to say these people didn’t simply catch a glimpse of something that is really always there, but usually imperceptible to us on a normal basis?

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Jake Carter

Jake Carter is a researcher and a prolific writer who has been fascinated by science and the unexplained since childhood. He is always eager to share his findings and insights with the readers of, a website he created in 2013.